You've heard the Myth about a College
kid who took $25 and turned it into millions online.
Well that's no Myth and that "Kid" is
online poker pro and businessman Taylor Caby.
You may know him as "Green Plastic";
his most famous online moniker. We met up with
Taylor at the WSOP where he was promoting his
innovative poker training site CardRunners.com
(you can also check out our review of Cardrunners
You will find there is alot more to Taylor than
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PokerLizard: What does your
family think about you playing poker as a career?
Taylor Caby: For now they're
really happy with it, cause I have the freedom
to do what I want to do. I enjoy doing it, and
I make a lot of money, but, you know, when I first
started, when I was in college, playing kind of
seriously online, they were just, like, "Wow,"
you know, "Get your degree. You do well in
school," things like that. But for now they're,
you know, they're very supportive of it.
PokerLizard: Right, and you've
got your finance degree?
Taylor Caby: That's right from
the University of Illinois.
PokerLizard: That's a good school.
Taylor Caby: And – yeah,
so they're pretty happy with how things are right
PokerLizard: What do you think
you'd be doing if online poker became, banned
in the United States?
Taylor Caby: Yeah. If there
was no way to play online poker and, say my business
wasn't thriving, I would just go get a finance
job somewhere – hopefully on Wall Street
– something like that. If not I would maybe
attempt to start another business, but that's
not as easy as it seems – you know how it
is, it's not - The easiest thing in the world,
so I'd probably just to go get a finance job.
PokerLizard: Investment banking
– that type of thing?
Taylor Caby: Not investment
banking. Both my roommates are investment bankers
and it's – I know how stressful and they
get home, like, midnight every night, 7 days a
week. So I'd probably do trading.
PokerLizard: What do you really
want out of poker? You’ve made good money,
have some “poker” fame…
Taylor Caby: I don't want fame
at all. I don't – I've never aspired to
be famous. In fact, I sometimes get asked for
interviews, and things like that. I never started
doing them until it would benefit Cardrunners,
since more publicity is better for business.
As far as that goes, I want to make a lot of
money. I've always, for whatever reason, wanted
to be really rich, I guess, you know, wealthy,
at least. And I hope that in, you know, five or
ten years I can pretty much set myself up for
life, and have a comfortable lifestyle. And, at
that point, I don't know, I don't see myself being
in the poker industry for more than, you know,
five or ten more years or so.
PokerLizard: Cool. Is Cardrunners
more wildly successful than you'd ever thought
it would be?
Taylor Caby: Yes, I started
it with my friend, Andrew
Wiggins (aka MuddyWaters), we were fraternity
brothers and we just both were making a lot of
money playing poker: people were always asking
us questions about it so we started Cardrunners.
At first it was mostly just because we hoped that
one day we could put it on our resume because,
honestly, I didn't have a summer jobs, and I thought,
"You know, I need something to put on my
resume because Poker playing isn’t going
to help me get a job.”
PokerLizard: Not exactly the
top skill most employers are looking for…
Taylor Caby: You know, in the
end I actually got an internship at a Hedge Fund,
and did that stuff too, so I had something for
my resume. Before that, you know, I was kind of
up in the air. So we were, "Hey, you know,
we'll do this – start an Internet business
and it'll be good for our resume, so we can get
a job when we graduate." And then we didn't
really think that it would really take off; however,
it just exploded and I started making more money
playing, but then this past year our business
has just really blown up. We’ve been fortunate
enough to get lucky and hire some good guys.
PokerLizard: Yeah, you seem
to be bringing on a lot of relatively big names
in the online world.
Taylor Caby: Yeah, that's our
goal. We brought on Brian
Townsend in February and he's arguably the
biggest name in online poker right now, and we're
trying to bring on more guys like that to just
solidify our position, as what we feel, the best
place to learn how to play poker online.
PokerLizard: You guys seem to
be one of the first places to come out with video
training, now it seems like every pro is trying
to make a video site. Does it ever annoy you that
people are taking your idea?
Taylor Caby: No, honestly -
I wasn't the first one to think about it. One
of my friends's approached me with an idea similar
to that. The whole thing just fell through. If
a poker player's organizing something you know
they're lazy and things just don't get done, and
it fell through.
PokerLizard: Poker players being
lazy…that’s the truth.
Taylor Caby: So Andrew and I
were just, like, "Hey, you know, we should
start something on our own," and, you know,
it worked out, but with all these other people
in the industry, you know, it's gonna happen,
imitators are goning to come out. If you have
a business that's successful, people are gonna
come in and try to take some market share and
make some money, so – I wish there was no
other training sites but we're doing the best
we can to make the most money we can.
PokerLizard: So imitation is
the sincerest form of flattery, right?
Taylor Caby: Exactly.
PokerLizard: Is it tough maintaining
a relationship being a poker player? I know you're
not really on tour so it’s probably not
as bad for you versus other players…
Taylor Caby: Yeah, you know,
it's not tough at all. I do have a girlfriend.
We've been dating for almost two years. I met
her pretty much after I had started to make a
lot of money, and that type of thing, so she was
used to it and me – it's never been a big
deal. She is in psychology and I do poker and
card runners. It's not a big deal at all.
PokerLizard: Cool. You ever
– when you play online do you ever get sick
of all the railbirds talking shit? Or asking for
Taylor Caby: It's not the railbirds
that are a problem to me. If someone asks –
begging for five or ten dollars, like –
I mean, I don't send it to em, cause if you send
it to one person you gotta send it to everyone,
Taylor Caby: It's – that's
not as bad as some people asking you for, "Hey,
can you loan me twenty grand or fifty grand,"
or something like that. Poker player friends can
be pretty bad. It's not a big deal, I mean –
I don't know, the railbirds don't bother me. I
think it's good. They're interested in the game.
You know what? So many people have told me, "You
know, you're really not that good," or, like,
"You're lucky," this and that, like,
it doesn't bother me because who cares? You know,
I know I have the success, I've got the money,
like, that's all I really care about so –
PokerLizard: So what do you
do when a poker buddy says, "Hey, man, slide
me five grand, I'll play you back in -
Taylor Caby: It depends who
it is. I mean, if it's one of good friends, like
– it can happen. Now with – this day
and age, like, online poker – it's tough
to get money on and off sites. You know, someone
might say, "Hey, I've got five grand cash,
just give me some money online," or vice
versa, or whatever, so that's not a big deal.
But if it's someone that I don't really know in
person, or something like that, I just stay away
from that because, I've been in situations before
where people haven't been so good on their word.
PokerLizard: Boy, that's for
sure. You don't think you'll ever join the tournament
Taylor Caby: No. No, I've actually
had somewhat of a good time playing some tournaments
out here this summer. I played five events and
cashed once. But it's just so frustrating, like,
the ups and down of tournament poker just have
to be unbelievably unbearable because if you play
for two or three days and then you get back maybe
two or three times your buyin…if you’re
Taylor Caby: Most of the time
you get a bad beat or you run down, or whatever.
I don't know, I think cash games are just more
PokerLizard: And if you come
in second you're pissed off for at least a few
Taylor Caby: Yeah, yeah.
PokerLizard: Like, "Aw,
I was so close!!!
Taylor Caby: Exactly.
PokerLizard: Is it more satisfying
to run a successful business or to win at poker?
Taylor Caby: For me it's infinitely
more satisfying to run the business, because I've
done both. I'm not playing as much as I used to,
but I remember when I was, on top, the biggest
games in the Internet were $50/$100 No Limit,
and I was beating them handedly. But it felt good.
The money was real and people would look up to
you. But, it’s a really incredible feeling
to start something from – literally nothing.
We started the business in our fraternity houseone
summer and now we're out here in Vegas doing a
bunch of marketing. We're, you know, reasonably
well known. It's just a really, really good feeling.
PokerLizard: Besides telling
somebody to join the card
runners, what advice would you give somebody
wanting to either turn pro or become a better
Taylor Caby: I would say to
make sure that you consider all the financial
ramifications of it, make sure you’re ready
– you shouldn't just win one tournament
online or live and just say, "Hey, I'm gonna
be a pro." Make sure you have adequate bankroll,
adequate, like, living expenses for let's say
six months in advance and make sure you thought
it through, because it's not something that just
anyone can do – 99% of people can't do it.
Right now I'm making a lot of money and I'm happy,
but I'm still not gonna do it the rest of my life,
so I think that says a lot.
PokerLizard: So you get burned
out on poker sometimes?
Taylor Caby: Yeah, I do, I just
think that there are a lot of negative aspects
about it. There are people that are degenerate
gamblers or have drug problems – things
like that. I mean, you see that everywhere, but
you see it more often in the poker world. I'd
just like to make as much as I can now, get out
and do other things.
PokerLizard: How often do you
feel you play these days, online and live?
Taylor Caby: Live rarely. Not
very often at all. Online I probably play, I don't
know, it could be 5/6 days a week for an hour
or two a day.
PokerLizard: You had that contest
Fives, where you picked a guy to be your apprentice/protege.
How's that working out?
Taylor Caby: Well, actually,
unbelievably well. One of the two guys was Ryan
Daut, who ended up winning the World
Poker Tour Caribbean Adventure. Took it down
for $1.5 million. That was two months after I
started working with him. And the other guy, Ryan
Rue, is a Cardrunners member, and he went from
playing a dollar or two dollars or fifty-cent/a
dollar. Now he's beating 5/10 No Limit, so he's
probably made, I don't know, close to six figures
Taylor Caby: It's, kind of,
over but it was a lot more successful than I thought
it would be. Actually, I'm having another contest
starting after the World Series. I'm gonna do
another one – same thing.
PokerLizard: Cool, You did some
commentary online for that Bluff Media coverage
of the World Series of Poker. How did it go? Did
you like it? Do think you might want to commentate
in the future, or is it kind of difficult?
Taylor Caby: Actually it took
a lot out of me due to the length. I'm not a tournament
player, but I'd love to commentate on a cash game
sometime. I feel like I'm pretty articulate and
have a lot of experience playing. I thought it
was fun. It was good experience and it wasn’t
too difficult because I do all the videos for
card runners. I'm used to talking about situations
in hands and it becomes second nature after awhile.
PokerLizard: Cool. You still
play mostly Ultimate
Taylor Caby: No, actually, I
play almost exclusively on Full
PokerLizard: Why the switch?
Taylor Caby: The games at Full
Tilt are better; Ultimatebet
has dried up a little. I play from time to time
in the higher six games…100/200, 200/400,
and those games aren't on Ultimate Bet anymore,
so I've just put my money on Full Tilt.
PokerLizard: And you mentioned
your first cash with World
Series of Poker . How'd it feel to get that
first cash out of the way? Were you just pissed
about busting out?
Taylor Caby: Honestly, I was
kind of sad. I wish I'd made the final table.
I came in 23rd in that $3k event. Really the only
reason I played the event was to try to get a
Cardrunners some publicity on TV.
PokerLizard: Makes sense.
Taylor Caby: And I was 12/13
spots out of the final table, so that kind of
PokerLizard: So you were picking
exclusively televised events for the hopefully
“implied” advertising odds?
Taylor Caby: Of the five events
I played, four of them were televised, so that's
why I played em. And, you know, I'll be back.
Hopefully, I'll win one of these some day.
PokerLizard: That was a pleasure
and congratulations on your success.
Taylor Caby: I appreciate it.
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